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[Ambassador Hiru Othian]

To: Hiocan Society
From: Ambassador Hiru Othian

L.S.,

Please, allow me to introduce myself. I am Hiru Othian. I have been newly appointed as the Astrian Ambassador to the Hiocan Society, as was agreed by President T'lara of the Hiocan Society and the Lord-Master of the Astrian Colonial Authority.

You will be pleased to know the embassy for the Hiocan Society on Stellaria has been completed.

Additionally the ACA has completed surveying sector 6 -5 and we believe to have found a suitable outpost site. It is a small protoplanet, which I am told is excellent for industrial development. My suggestion would be that we start construction in 216 and that the ACA provides all the required. We also suggest we wait with any form of upkeep until all clusters have been constructed.

With kind sincerity,
Ambassador Hiru Othian

[Aosen]

Dear Ambassador Hiru Othian,

I am merchant Aosen and I will handle the financial detail for the establisment of an outpost. I am glad that the embassy is finish and the ACA embassy will be finish shortly on Hio.

First I would like to know what kind of industrial zone are suited for this outpost. The construction of the first cluster of the outpost is 10000 + 800 . We are glad that the ACA is willing to pay the . If needed we can provide and . For the cost I would suggest we split it 50:50. What kind of payment speed do you have in mind? In 221 we will start with the Terraformation project of Ah'rak. Therefor our maximal contribution is limited to 500 per .

Yours sincerely,

Merchant Aosen of the Trade Office of the Hiocan Society

[Ambassador Hiru Othian]

Dear Mister Aosen,

I have been told that for the best immediate results would be ideal. Future additions can be created for a variety of goods, though cannot be produced on this outpost.

While the ACA is willing to agree to splitting the tax cost 50:50, our contribution of also needs to be covered. Seeing as we also have fully covered the surveying costs this would lead to the ACA covering nearly twice the amount of the Hiocans. There for I have come up with three possible ways to solve this problem.

The first option is that the ACA receives 3/5 of the produced goods of each cluster. Additionally the ACA would get full sovereignty and operational control of the outpost, the Hiocans would be consulted for the second and third clusters and to what goods they should be optimised for. Citizens of the Hiocan Society would be free to settle the outpost.

The second option is that the ACA receives the full produce of two of the three clusters once the outpost has been completely finished, the produce of the third cluster would go to the Hiocans. The Hiocans would decide what this cluster would produce. Sovereignty and operational control would be shared equally.

The third option is that instead of splitting the tax costs for the construction of the clusters 50:50, we split the tax costs 75:25. That would result in a more equal distribution of the costs. We would split produce, sovereignty and control equally.

You are, of course, free to propose your own solution. I realise you might be inclined to choose the third option, however please note the first option has a higher cost-return ratio. Though, in the interest of cooperation, I will admit my opinion may be biased.

Once you have decided we can discuss timetables.

With kind sincerity,
Ambassador Hiru Othian

[Aosen]

Dear Ambassador Hiru Othian,

The outpost is at a strategic location in sector [6 -5]. As we both have interest in this sector, we prefer a equal share. We are willing to pay 75% of the tax cost. We can start paying 500 / this 216 . How many can you produce? When will be outpost be finished?

Yours sincerely,

Merchant Aosen of the Trade Office of the Hiocan Society

[Stuiter]

((OOC: How do you want to handle this in the turnreport? Should I pay you?))

[Ambassador Hiru Othian]

Dear Mister Aosen,

The Astrian Colonial Authority can proved 100 / . The first cluster should be finished within 15 . The second 12 after that and the third 9 after that. This is not counting zone development. Assuming the Hiocans maintain 500 / .

If you wish to accelerate the process we can discuss this after we start construction.

With kind sincerity,
Ambassador Hiro Othian

((OOC: I think transferring the funds to me is best, yes.))

[Aosen]

Dear Ambassador Hiru Othian,

Unfortunately, we cannot increase our payment. You could however give us a 0% loan so that the project speeds us.

Furtermore, for our own production cluster we are thinking about . The ACA has an outstanding military and we would like to collaborate to improve our understanding of .

We have enough trade fleets to be able to support the outpost. The cost for maintenance we can splits according to our own production, two products each.

Yours sincerely,

Merchant Aosen of the Trade Office of the Hiocan Society

[Ambassador Hiru Othian]

Dear Mister Aosen,

Not once but twice now, have you tried to create an unequal division of the costs for this outpost. Frankly, I am insulted by your attempts.

I can understand that you are looking out for your people, however you are only going to harm our political relationship if you continue such attempts.

As I am sure you wouldn't have reached your position if you were incompetent, I know you have read the available information on outposts and the original message between the Lord-Master and your President.

You are certainly aware that 6 -5 is outside the Union and there for filled with pirates and other lowlifes. In order to maintain the safety and peace of an outpost it needs to be patrolled by military vessels regularly. As the Astrian Colonial Authority has a more powerful military then the Hiocan Society, it is only logical for us to take on the role of protecting the outpost. However, deploying capital ships is costly. Unless you plan on covering half those costs, I must insist the Hiocans take the whole upkeep of the outpost on themselves.

Now, the ACA is not unreasonable. Your trade fleet can use our hyperspace lane in 7 -4 and we will make sure a holonet relay is placed in 6 -5 to deliver based upkeep. Which you will also be free to use for the purpose of upkeep.

Do not mistake our understanding for exploitability, Mister Aosen, if you attempt to gain an uneven split of costs again we will be forced to conclude the Hiocans have no interest in cooperating on this outpost. To which we will act accordingly.

With kind sincerity,
Ambassador Hiro Othian

[Stuiter]

((OOC: I think we have a misunderstanding. So let's solve this OC.
This is how I look at it.

We want a shared outpost (50:50).
We have agreed on a 75:25 payment and you pay the cost.

As speeding up the process of payment will mean that we can produce goods faster, I suggest that you can already pay more if you want. The completion of the first cluster will be faster. I will continue my payment schedule and you will get your money back later (0% loan). Depending on how much you pay more, I am willing to pay interest if the completion is more than a few turns earlier then the current schedule.

There will be a total of 3 cluster which produce 3 different products on a completely upgrade outpost.
So this will mean that we share the products of 1 cluster and have each one cluster for ourselves.
In my post I say that I am interested in for myself and added some fluff about collaboration.
I do not know what you want to produce in your cluster.
I am not in a hurry, so you can build your cluster first if you want.

The maintenance cost for the outpost consist of 4 different products. So I though we could provide each 2 different products.
I am willing to provide a tradefleet. As I have more than enough and the distance is not far. I do not need to use hyperlanes.

Sector [6,-5] is Union territory and there is already piracy control there provided by the Union.
So we do not need to worry about that.

Could you please tell we what you think is unfair?))

[Gerben]

((OOC: Just to prevent major issues here,
Dragonmaster is right with regards to 6 -5. The entire line of sectors on the axis 6 -x is outside of Union territory and therefore needs to patrolled by member worlds if they have colonization efforts there. The Union fleets do not provide any sort of cover there.

You can check this in the map tools if you check the box superpowers, which shows the actual territory each power controls.

~G))

[Dragonmaster352]

((OOC: (:sector) 6 -5 is NOT inside the Union. It's on the bottom-left of my sector on the map, tick superpowers and it will become clear. That sector needs to be patrolled. Also sector 6 -5 isn't listed as belonging to the Union here. If for some reason you still don't believe me, ask the rest of the players.

Also the Astrians are not going to give you a 0% loan when you have more than 18000 and are apparently unwilling to use it for seemingly no reason.))

[Stuiter]

((OOC: The are reserved for the Terraformation project. I have been saving ages for that. The project will finally start soon, so they will be spend on that.

Yes, I indeed got the wrong section. Piracy control is 150 / turn. So I pay you 75 / turn.))

[Stuiter]

((OOC: Now that it is clear do you want to adjust your post? Then we can arrange things IC.
I am now finished with pay back of a loan, so I can increase my payment with 300 .))

[Dragonmaster352]

((OOC: If we're going to arrange things IC why do I need to change my post? My post isn't strange or unreasonable as a response to your posts. You could make an IC post explaining how your character made a mistake and apologise.

I find it a bit strange I should edit my post because you made a mistake.))

[Aosen]

Dear Ambassador Hiru Othian,

My apologies, but I did not mean to offend you.

For the maintenance coast we were only talking about the products and not other costs such as piracy patrol. Of course, the Hiocan Society will contribute for your efforts of keeping [6, -5] safe. Please, let us know when the Outpost in finished, then we shall pay half of the piracy patrol cost of 75 / .

Next turn we will start our Terraformation project. Our spendable income will drop to 360 . Long terms investment are putting a heavy weight on our income, we therefor suggested a 0% interest loan. Hopefully, you can understand our situation. I have a new proposal: we can either increase our current payment with 100 starting 121 or give you 25% interest on a loan, which we will payed back after Outposts first cluster shared cluster is finished.

Futhermore, I propose that the second cluster production is for the Astrian Colonial Authority, the product choice is completely up to you. The third cluster production will be our cluster. Please let us know when you when you would like to start the second cluster upgradee, so we make payment arrangements on time.

Yours sincerely,

Merchant Aosen of the Trade Office of the Hiocan Society