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[Brend]

This rules change contains all notes on the jedi specialisation tweaks as discussed during the write-a-thon, and detailed in the Jedi Specialisation thread.

Skill usage

First, while not really a rules change, instead of having a 'Trained only' flag on a skill, the skills are now divided into basic skills and specialist skills. Basic skills are the old 'Trained only: no' skills, while specialist skills are the old 'Trained only: yes' skills. So, from now on skills that can only be used of you have training are called specialist skills.

Changes to skills and skill use:

• Flight Skill becomes a specialist skill (was basic)
• Zero-G Mobility Skill becomes a specialist skill (was basic)
• When calculating your check, your Force level is halved if you use a skill without training (that is, a skill in which you have no dots)

For rationale, please refer to the discussion thread.

Experience costs and starting skills

We have changed the experience costs of of skills and attributes, and updated the amount of starting skills:

• Skill experience cost becomes 1 (was 2 )
• Attribute experience cost becomes 2 (was 1 )
• Starting skill points increased to 9 (was 6)

No other changes with respect to have been made. For rationale, please refer to the discussion thread.

Retroactive changes

This is a big change, and we expect anyone that plays a Jedi to want to claim meta-rules and retroactively change their character. Please post your character's change requests in this thread.

Notes for retro-active change requests:

• You must keep your character's progression valid throughout their retro-active career!
• Skills and attributes are still restricted to their normal maximums: Attributes have a maximum of 5 or Force Level (whichever is higher), Skill have a maximum of Force Level.
• Force levels are still only gained for each spent 10 and 3 missions, so make sure that you spend enough at the lower levels to actually get more.
• Don't forget the 3 extra starting skills.
• An easy trick is to buy an additional skill or attribute for every skill or attribute already in your progression, this makes sure you have spent enough before the next force level without difficult recalculations.
• If you use the 'new style progression' (everyone except Nathan does) you can simply copy-paste your spendings to the forum and update it there. If you indicate new entries, the people that check your request will love you ^_^

You can have a look at the quick experience tally to get an idea of your 'wiggle room' when changing.

Please present a clear change request, instead of only the changes and leaving those that check your request to puzzle out all the smart things you did. The easiest to check is a complete listing of the your new progression, but if you only change a single thing, just naming that is good enough.

[Brend]

Change request: Tera Inogo

Distribute 3 extra starting skills as follows:

• +1 Stealth → Stealth 2
• +1 Slicing → Slicing 3
• +1 Programming → Programming 2

[Brend]

Change request: Shebi Ajava

Distribute 3 extra starting skills as follows:

• +1 Military Command → Military Command 2
• +1 Athletics → Athletics 3
• +1 Tracking and Navigation → Tracking and Navigation 2

Change progression as follows:
-1 → Stealth ●● (2011-12-22)
-1 → Stealth ●●● (2011-12-22)
-1 → Zero-G Mobility ● (2012-07-02)
-1 → Linguistics ● (2012-07-02)
-2 → Fitness ●●●●● (2012-07-02)
-3 → Sun Djem (2012-07-26)
-2 → Energy ●●●●● (2012-07-26)
-1 → Wilderness Survival ● (2012-07-26)
-1 → Lightsaber Construction ●● (2012-07-26)
Force Level ●●●●● ● (3 missions, 13xp) (2012-07-26)
-3 → Telepathy ●● (2013-02-17)
-3 → Tràkata (2013-03-23)
-1 → Wilderness Survival ●● (2013-05-20)
-1 → First Aid ● (2013-05-20)
Force Level ●●●●● ●● (6 missions, 21xp) (2013-05-20)
-2 → Intuition ●●●●● (2013-05-26)
-2 → Energy ●●●●● ● (2013-05-26)
-1 → Acrobatics ●● (2013-05-26)
-1 → Stealth ●●●● (2013-05-26)
-3 → Force Lightning ● (2013-08-19)
-3 → Battle Meditation ● (2013-09-26)
Force Level ●●●●● ●●● (9 missions, 33xp) (2013-09-26)
-3 → Force Vision ● (2013-11-17)
-2 → Energy ●●●●● ●● (2014-03-23)
-2 → Vision ●●●●● (2014-03-23)
-1 → Stealth ●●●●● (2014-03-23)
-1 → Tracking and Navigation ●●● (2014-03-23)
-3 → Life Energy Manipulation ● (2014-03-23)
Force Level ●●●●● ●●●● (14 missions, 45xp) (2014-03-23)
-3 → Deceptive Whirlwind (2014-09-18)
-3 → Life Energy Manipulation ●● (2014-09-18)
Force Level ●●●●● ●●●●● (16 missions, 51xp) (2014-09-18)

Changed skill and attribute lines are noted in holo. New entries and ratings increased through earlier entries are marked as follows with the [add] tag. Dates for new lines are taken from the skill or attribute line just before them, as if they were bought at the same time.

[Gerben]

Change request: Darones Rei

Distribute 3 extra starting skills as follows:

• +1 Slicing → Slicing 2
• +1 Mechanical Engineering → Mechanical Engineering 2
• +1 Athletics → Athletics 2

Change progression as follows:
-1 → First Aid ● (2011-12-22)
-1 → First Aid ●● (2012-07-02)
-1 → Stealth ● (2012-07-02)
-1 → Stealth ●● (2012-07-02)
-1 → Zero-G Mobility ● (2012-07-02)
-1 → Acrobatics ●● (2012-07-02)
-3 → Circle of Shelter (2012-07-26)
-2 → Intuition ●●●●● (2012-07-26)
-2 → Fitness ●●●●● (2012-07-26)
Force Level ●●●●● (3 missions, 13xp) (2012-07-26)
-1 → Pilot ●● (2013-05-19)
-1 → Pilot ●●● (2013-05-19)
-3 → Tràkata (2014-01-28)
-1 → Stealth ●●● (2014-01-28)
-1 → Stealth ●●●● (2014-01-28)
Force Level ●●●●● ● (6 missions, 20xp) (2014-01-28)
-1 → Stealth ●●●●● (2014-04-20)
-1 → Pilot ●●●● (2014-04-20)
-3 → Pass the Blade (2015-02-01)
-3 → Deceptive Whirlwind (2015-02-01)

Changed skill and attribute lines are noted in holo. New entries and ratings increased through earlier entries are marked as follows. Dates for new lines are taken from the skill or attribute line just before them, as if they were bought at the same time.

[Chriz]

Change request Ariana Danacia

Distribute 3 extra starting skills as follows:

• +1 Stealth →Stealth 2
• +1 Stealth → Stealth 3
• +1 Slicing → Slicing 2

-3 → Hawk-Bat Swoop (2012-08-02)
-2 → Energy ●●●●● (2012-08-02)
-2 → Fitness ●●●● (2012-08-02)
-1 → Slicing ●●● (2012-08-03)
-1 → Programming ●● (2012-08-03)
-3 → Soresu (2013-03-23)
Force Level ●●●●● (3 missions, 12xp) (2013-03-23)
-3 → Saber Swarm (2013-05-19)
-1 → Programming ●●● (2013-05-21)
-1 → Medicine ●● (2013-05-21)
-3 → Battle Meditation ● (2013-05-21) (moved down 1 level)
-3 → Telekinesis ●● (2013-05-21) (moved down 1 level)
Force Level ●●●●● ● (6 missions, 23xp) (2013-05-21)
-2 → Reason ●●●●● ● (2013-11-10) (moved up 1 level)
-2 → Fitness ●●●●● (2013-11-10) (moved up 1 level)
-2 → Energy ●●●●● ● (2013-11-10) (moved up 1 level)
-3 → Circle of Shelter (2014-03-22)
Force Level ●●●●● ●● (9 missions, 32xp) (2014-03-22)
-3 → Telekinesis ●●● (2014-03-23)
-1 → Flight ● (2014-04-09)
-1 → Programming ●●●● (2014-04-09)
-2 → Fitness ●●●●● ● (2014-07-10)
-2 → Energy ●●●●● ●● (2014-07-10)
Force Level ●●●●● ●●● (12 missions, 41xp) (2014-07-10)
-1 → Flight ●● (2014-10-20)
-1 → Medicine ●●● (2014-10-20)
-2 → Fitness ●●●●● ●● (2015-04-29)
-2 → Reason ●●●●● ●● (2015-04-29)
-1 → Flight ●●● (2015-04-29)
-1 → Slicing ●●●● (2015-04-29)
-1 → Flight ●●●● (2015-04-29)
-1 → Zero-G Mobility ● (2015-04-29)
Force Level ●●●●● ●●●● (15 missions, 51xp) (2015-04-29)

Changed skill and attribute lines are noted in holo. New entries and ratings increased through earlier entries are marked as follows with the [add] tag. Dates for new lines are taken from the skill or attribute line just before them, as if they were bought at the same time.

[Brend]

Please note: The Meta rules put an expiration term of 3 months on change notifications. Please send in your change request before 2015-11-29, or risk losing out on changing your Jedi (and effectively losing a bunch of ...)

I'm still missing change requests for:

• Ariana Danacia
• Darones Rei
• Fecta Trigiel
• Jaicen Hedoss
• Nathan Miodrass Asillion
• Salia
• Shebi Ajava
• T'Sal
• Tera Inogo

If your Jedi is on the list, please post a change report.

[Mercury]

Because Salia is a youngling, I am a bit unsure on how to handle this. Since I have until november, I'll take some extra time to think on and discuss it with various people

[Dragonmaster352]

Change request Nathan Miodrass Asillion

Distribute 3 extra starting skills as follows:

+1 Zero G Mobility → Zero G Mobility 2
+1 Explosives → Explosives 2
+1 Athletics → Athletics 3

-3 → Kawa no Michi (2013-03-23)
-1 → Stealth ●● (2013-05-20)
-1 → Programming ● (2013-05-20)
-1 → Programming ●● (2013-05-26)
-2 → Reason ●●●● (2013-05-26)
-2 → Energy ●●●● (2013-05-26)
-1 → Tracking and Navigation ● (2013-05-26)
Force Level ●●●●● (3 missions, 11xp) (2013-05-26)
-3 → Raindrop Tidal Wave (2013-11-04)
-3 → Sweeping Current (2014-03-22)
-1 → Stealth ●●● (2014-04-12)
-3 → Life Energy Manipulation ● (2014-04-12)
-1 → Tracking and Navigation ●● (2014-04-12)
Force Level ●●●●● ● (6 missions, 22xp) (2014-04-12)

Changed skill and attribute lines are noted in holo. New entries and ratings increased through earlier entries are marked as follows with the [add] tag. Dates for new lines are taken from the skill or attribute line just before them, as if they were bought at the same time.

[Brend]

I have checked all requests so far (except my own, of course):

Darones Rei: approved

Ariana Danacia: failed:

• -2 → Reason ●●●●● ● (2013-05-21)
  This raises Reason above your Force Level, which is not allowed. The limit of attributes is max(Force Level, 5). While this raise stems from before the time the limit on attribute ratings was present, retroactive changes to your character must take into account all current rules and produce a valid character.
• -2 → Energy ●●●●●● (2013-05-21)
  This raises Energy above your Force Level, which is not allowed. The limit of attributes is max(Force Level, 5).

Nathan Miodrass Asillion: approved

[Chriz]

Right.. I was worried that would be a problem but the rework was already kinda complex that I did not take this into account.

The end result of my character is valid, I will move some skill increases to the top and move those attribute increases down to make it a valid build path.

However this rework is kinda time consuming which means it might take another week for me to have the time to rework the whole coloring schema and progression order.

[Brend]

No worries, you have another two months at least ^_^

(Make sure to keep an eye on the requirements for Force Level increases... My initial attempt to find a working layout for Ariana had me in a knot about those)

[Stuiter]

Change request T_sal

Distribute 3 extra starting skills as follows:

+1 Mechanical Engineering 1
+1 Historical Engineering 1
+1 Physics → Physics 4

-1 → Linguistics ●● (2012-08-03)
-2 → Fitness ●●●● (2013-11-01)
-3 → Telekinesis ●● (2013-11-01)
-3 → Tal-shaya (2013-11-01)
-1 → Pedagogy ● (2013-11-01)
Force Level ●●●●● ● (3 missions, 10xp) (2013-11-01)
-1 → Athletics ● (2013-11-01)
-3 → Navorkot (2013-11-01)
-1 → Zero-G Mobility ● (2013-11-01)
-1 → Programming ●● (2013-11-01)
-1 → Slicing ●● (2013-11-01)
-1 → Stealth ●● (2013-11-01)
-2 → Reason ●●●●● ● (2013-11-01)
Force Level ●●●●● ●● (6 missions, 20xp) (2013-11-01)
-3 → Makashi ●● (2013-11-14)
-3 → Disarming Flourish ● (2013-08-19)
-3 → Water over the falls ● (2014-04-25)
-2 → Energy ●●●●● (2014-04-25)
Force Level ●●●●● ●●● (9 missions, 31xp) (2014-04-25)

Changed skill and attribute lines are noted in holo. New entries and ratings increased through earlier entries are marked as follows with the [add] tag. Dates for new lines are taken from the skill or attribute line just before them, as if they were bought at the same time.

Oh, I got to a lot unspend XP, after approval I will continue to spend my xp.

((OOC: Edited: Thanks Brend, I forgot the extra xp and level check. Also correct my total by Force level 9 should be 31 in total.))

[Brend]

T'Sal: failed

• Force Level ●●●●● ● (3 missions, 10xp) (2013-11-01)
  You only spend 3 (1 for Linguistics 2, 2 for Fitness 4) before this Force Level increase, so your Force Level can not be increased. This also makes it so the next Force Level increases are invalid. Retroactive changes to your character must take into account all current rules and produce a valid character.
• -1 → Zero-G Mobility (2013-11-01)
  What rating? Zero-G Mobility is a skills, so it should have a rating. Since you have no Zero-G Mobility, I assume it is rating 1, but please make this explicit.

I think you should pay more attention to how your current progression changes by the extra starting skills you take -- you can't simply take them out of the progression. You could for example increase the rating of your starting skills where you originally bought them in your progression. When that is updated, you can then add an extra skill purchase or attribute purchase just below each original skill or attribute purchase. This way you won't suddenly lose . Of course, you can also make more complex changes, but take care that your character must be a valid character at every point in the progression track.

[Elmer]

Change request: Fecta Trigiel

Distribute 3 extra starting skills as follows:

• +1 Pilot → Pilot 3
• +1 Mechanical Engineer → Mechanical Engineer 3
• +1 Pod racer → Pod racer 1

-1 → Zero-G Mobility ● (2011-12-22)
-1 → Zero-G Mobility ●● (2011-12-22)
-3 → Force Jump ●● (2011-12-22)
-1 → Mechanical Engineer ●●●● (2011-12-22)
-1 → Pod Racer ●● (2011-12-22)
-3 → Paraan Talim (2011-12-22)
Force Level ●●●●● (4 missions, 10xp) (2012-07-26)
-1 → Mechanical Engineer ●●●●● (2011-12-22)
-1 → Pod Racer ●●● (2011-12-22)
-2 → Intuition ●●●● (2011-12-22)
-1 → Acrobatics ● (2011-12-22)
-1 → Acrobatics ●● (2011-12-22)
-1 → Cyberneticist ●● (2011-12-22)
-1 → Cyberneticist ●●● (2011-12-22)
-2 → Fitness ●●●●● (2011-12-22)
Force Level ●●●●● ● (6 missions, 20xp) (2012-07-26)
-3 → Rising Baraw (2011-12-22)
-3 → Jumping Witik Strike (2014-04-25)
-3 → Force Vision ● (2014-04-25)
-1 → Acrobatics ●●● (2014-04-25)
-1 → Acrobatics ●●●● (2014-04-25)
-1 → Pilot ●●●● (2014-04-25)
-1 → Pilot ●●●●● (2014-04-25)
Force Level ●●●●● ●● (11 missions, 33 xp) (2014-04-25)
-1 → Pilot ●●●●● ● (2014-04-25)
-1 → Pilot ●●●●● ●● (2014-04-25)
-1 → Mechanical Engineer ●●●●● ● (2015-06-26)
-1 → Mechanical Engineer ●●●●● ●● (2015-06-26)
-1 → Weapons Engineer ●●● (2015-06-26)
-1 → Weapons Engineer ●●●● (2015-06-26)
-3 → Olisi Spin (2015-06-26)
-2 → Vision ●●●●● ● (2015-06-26)
-3 → Force Vision ●● (2011-12-22)


Changed skill and attribute lines are noted in holo. New entries and ratings increased through earlier entries are marked as follows with the [add] tag. Dates for new lines are taken from the skill or attribute line just before them, as if they were bought at the same time.

[Brend]

Fecta Trigiel: failed

• -1 → Mechanical Engineer ●●●●● (2011-12-22)
  The maximum rating for Skills is (Force Level), so you are not allowed to raise Mechanical Engineer to rank 5 while your Force Level is 4. Retroactive changes to your character must take into account all current rules and produce a valid character.

[Elmer]

You are right, I totally did not take that rule into account for skills T.T I have changed it. (Sadly the skill acquisition order becomes more different from how I originally claimed them, but that cannot be helped I guess.)

There are sooo many rules to take into account for such a retroactive change O.o

[Jhovall]

Change request: Jaicen Hedoss

Distribute 3 extra starting skills as follows:
+1 Programming → Stealth 4
+1 Slicing → Slicing 1
+1 Mechanical Engineer → Programming 3

[Dragonmaster352]

Tera Inogo: approved

Shebi Ajava: approved

@Stuiter: please don't update your page before your change has been approved. You may have corrected it but then it still needs to be approved.

Fecta Trigiel: approved

Jaicen Hedoss: failed

• You need to list what extra starting skill you want and the resulting level of THAT PARTICULAR skill. You can't ask for a +1 Programming skill and use that as Stealth 4, especially since you don't have the Stealth skill to begin with.

Other story tellers should feel free to check the validity of my checks and notify if they are erroneous.

[Brend]

@Dragonmaster: Thanks for checking my changes!

Also, I see no updates on T'Sal's page since she posted her original changes, and no changes in between the date of her original post and her updated post... Could you link me to what I'm missing?

[Dragonmaster352]

Oops, my bad. I didn't look past the length of my nose. Sorry.

[Brend]

T'Sal: approved

[Chriz]

I have edited my proposal for Ariana. The changes based on the previous version can be found in orange. This makes my character progression valid as far as I know.

Please check.

[Brend]

Ariana Danacia: Approved

[Jhovall]

Change request: Jaicen Hedoss

Distribute 3 extra starting skills as follows:
+1 Programming → Programming 4
+1 Slicing → Slicing 1
+1 Mechanical Engineer → Mechanical Engineer 3

((Moderator voice: I have changed the author of this post from the IC account "Jaicen Hedoss" to the OOC account "Jhovall". Please use your OOC account for OOC posts.))

[Brend]

Please do not post with IC accounts in OOC forums! Keeping the separation between IC and OOC is relevant for certain tools, and it helps with discussion of things that happened IC. I know that this is mostly harmless here, but I want to prevent people from getting in the habit. Please, switch to your IC account when posting IC, and use your OOC account for all other things. (I used my moderator voice to correct the previous post.)

That said:

Jaicen Hedoss: approved