[ Jedi Temple ] Veolian Culture lessons <private>
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[ Jedi Temple ] Veolian Culture lessons <private>
T'Sal » Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:05 pm
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T'Sal - PC
((OOC: This thread is private to Shebi Ajava and T'Sal))
During their investigation mission on 1341-8010J RSP, new technology has been found. The data was handed over to the Union science community. New projects have risen from this. The Veolian Commonwealth does a lot on research and has decided to immediately invest in research towards the new technology.
Shebi Ajava has send T’sal an invitation to participate in the Extra-dimensional Detector Array. It seems that the recommendation T’sal send with the data made quite an impression on Shebi’s grandfather who works at the Shebi research institute. They are developing a sensor array that could detect the micro-brane particle they had discovered. T’sal could not let this onces-in-a-lifetime-research pass and excepted.
As the Veolian and Hiocan culture are quite different. T’sal asked Shebi Ajava to teach her so she will made a good impression. They are going to meet in the library in one of the holo-projection rooms.
T’sal has reserved a room and had send miss Shebi the room number. She is now waiting in the room while reading information from the Veolian embassy.
During their investigation mission on 1341-8010J RSP, new technology has been found. The data was handed over to the Union science community. New projects have risen from this. The Veolian Commonwealth does a lot on research and has decided to immediately invest in research towards the new technology.
Shebi Ajava has send T’sal an invitation to participate in the Extra-dimensional Detector Array. It seems that the recommendation T’sal send with the data made quite an impression on Shebi’s grandfather who works at the Shebi research institute. They are developing a sensor array that could detect the micro-brane particle they had discovered. T’sal could not let this onces-in-a-lifetime-research pass and excepted.
As the Veolian and Hiocan culture are quite different. T’sal asked Shebi Ajava to teach her so she will made a good impression. They are going to meet in the library in one of the holo-projection rooms.
T’sal has reserved a room and had send miss Shebi the room number. She is now waiting in the room while reading information from the Veolian embassy.
Shebi Ajava » Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:51 pm
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Shebi Ajava - PC
Shebi Ajava took some time to pull some holovids of the latest social happenings on Mirda from the net. These would not be enough by far, but could serve as a nice starting point to point out some of the more subtle behavioural clues.
She went to the library, to the room reserved by T'Sal.
"Hello T'Sal. I take it you have already been reading up on the subject? Any questions so far?"
She went to the library, to the room reserved by T'Sal.
"Hello T'Sal. I take it you have already been reading up on the subject? Any questions so far?"
T'Sal » Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:17 am
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T'Sal - PC
"The concept of nobility is new to me.
Maybe you could start with that as your family is noble."
Maybe you could start with that as your family is noble."
Shebi Ajava » Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:00 pm
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Shebi Ajava - PC
"Well...", Shebi clearly was not prepared for this question, "My family is noble because they are an established house, with large holdings and their own militia. However, House Shebi has sworn fealty to the emperor after the aftershock wars as he made it clear that he had the best claim to the title of emperor.
You could say that the noble families are necessary to make sure that the commonwealth runs smoothly. After all, nobles are better than peasants at anything they try. It makes sense to have the best possible leaders, right?"
You could say that the noble families are necessary to make sure that the commonwealth runs smoothly. After all, nobles are better than peasants at anything they try. It makes sense to have the best possible leaders, right?"
T'Sal » Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:16 pm
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T'Sal - PC
“I agree that the best suitable personal should logically do the job, be it a noble or a peasant.
Learning is a combination of what ones possesses genetically and what one can learn. The Veolian species has indeed an interesting hemet mutation which gives clear advantages. But a non hemet noble Veolian and peasant are not that different. Personality and good education/training can make a bigger difference on what one can accomplish.
Within the Hiocan Society everyone can participate and compete for a job. It does not matter what race, gender, age, cultural or religious background one has, the qualifications are set and objectively the best performer will be chosen.”
Learning is a combination of what ones possesses genetically and what one can learn. The Veolian species has indeed an interesting hemet mutation which gives clear advantages. But a non hemet noble Veolian and peasant are not that different. Personality and good education/training can make a bigger difference on what one can accomplish.
Within the Hiocan Society everyone can participate and compete for a job. It does not matter what race, gender, age, cultural or religious background one has, the qualifications are set and objectively the best performer will be chosen.”
Shebi Ajava » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:30 pm
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Shebi Ajava - PC
"That is not true. A non-hemet noble and a peasants are very different.", Ajava reacted.
"Peasants care not about their bloodlines, they even act on love. They have no strength of will, and because of this will surely make bad decisions if they were ever to overthrow the nobility!
On the other hand a non-hemet noble has, just like hemets, a duty to her house. She knows she can not let herself be distracted by petty thoughts such as love, and that it is her place to marry the husband her House selected for her. Because of this, the nobility makes for the best leaders. Of course, of a peasant shows exceptional skills, she could be adopted into a noble house..."
Shebi Ajava looked pensive.
"But, it is common knowledge that men are very bad negotiators. So surely, they will not be selected if the job would involve negotiations? Besides, how can you objectively know who is the best performer if they haven't yet done the job?"
"Peasants care not about their bloodlines, they even act on love. They have no strength of will, and because of this will surely make bad decisions if they were ever to overthrow the nobility!
On the other hand a non-hemet noble has, just like hemets, a duty to her house. She knows she can not let herself be distracted by petty thoughts such as love, and that it is her place to marry the husband her House selected for her. Because of this, the nobility makes for the best leaders. Of course, of a peasant shows exceptional skills, she could be adopted into a noble house..."
Shebi Ajava looked pensive.
"But, it is common knowledge that men are very bad negotiators. So surely, they will not be selected if the job would involve negotiations? Besides, how can you objectively know who is the best performer if they haven't yet done the job?"
T'Sal » Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:58 pm
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T'Sal - PC
“For making a good decision you need knowledge and skill, both can be trained. It seem that Veolians rely on nature for learning while the Hiocans rely on nurture.
The Hiocan society has a lot of rules and regulations, so also for job and skills. You need do exams do get you skills acknowledged. We have skill test centres where you can do assessments and see how good your skills are. The exams are extensive and take quite some time; it also includes a personality test. So at the end you know objectively how good someone performs in various circumstances.
So for diplomatic skills you can have various degrees and you get also sub scores for the subjects like debating, negotiating, persuasion, speeching etc. There are some differences between men and women, that one’s scores higher on some subjects. But the difference can be overcome by training.
There are five degrees for skills. With your 1st degree you know the basic (bachelor), 2nd you got broad knowledge (master), 3rd deep understanding (Phd.), this mostly includes specialization in one subject, 4th you’re a master (professor) and 5th you’re a super genius (Nobel prize winner).
Training and learning are very important within the Hiocan society. Everyone has at least a 1st degree in something.
But I think we are getting of the subject. I wanted to learn more about the Veolians . So if you would please enlighten how the Veolians are doing things.”
((OOC: The () in the degrees part is for OOC ref))
The Hiocan society has a lot of rules and regulations, so also for job and skills. You need do exams do get you skills acknowledged. We have skill test centres where you can do assessments and see how good your skills are. The exams are extensive and take quite some time; it also includes a personality test. So at the end you know objectively how good someone performs in various circumstances.
So for diplomatic skills you can have various degrees and you get also sub scores for the subjects like debating, negotiating, persuasion, speeching etc. There are some differences between men and women, that one’s scores higher on some subjects. But the difference can be overcome by training.
There are five degrees for skills. With your 1st degree you know the basic (bachelor), 2nd you got broad knowledge (master), 3rd deep understanding (Phd.), this mostly includes specialization in one subject, 4th you’re a master (professor) and 5th you’re a super genius (Nobel prize winner).
Training and learning are very important within the Hiocan society. Everyone has at least a 1st degree in something.
But I think we are getting of the subject. I wanted to learn more about the Veolians . So if you would please enlighten how the Veolians are doing things.”
((OOC: The () in the degrees part is for OOC ref))
Shebi Ajava » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:28 pm
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Shebi Ajava - PC
"I don't think we went that far off topic. The difference between hemets and normal veolians, or other species like Hiocans, is very important in Veolian culture.", Shebi Ajava said, while smiling. "You would be surprised how much any given hemet veolian has learned during their life; don't forget that we live for thousands of years. But I agree, we're not here to compare our educational systems. Let's get to it."
"First off. Family is the most important thing in veolian culture. It has, to some extent, been accepted that not all cultures do this, but it will greatly help you if your family has a history of scientific breakthroughs, or more generally if your family is notable for some great achievement. If they do, you shouldn't hesitate to bring evidence of this to back up your claim.
Secondly, the veolian culture is feudal. This means that everything of importance, such as cities, research institutes, corporations, or just territory, is owned by a noble family. And that those that work or reside there are under the protection of this family. In this case, you would visit the institute of my grandfather, which is under his personal protection, as well as under the protection of House Shebi.
Related, but not exactly the same, is the fact that veolian culture is patriarchal. Men are the ultimate authority in their homes and territories, and challenging them in this is nearly the same as declaring war. So, my grandfather is the final authority on things related to the institute. Not on the research results themselves, but he has the last word on whether an experiment will be done, or if something is allowed or not. If you disagree with him, then tell him; but do it discretely, and don't just blurt out you don't agree."
Shebi Ajava seemed to think of something more: "He is a very rational man, and you can easily convince him of your point if you can explain why you are correct. But to tell him this if others are around that might challenge his position, would not be a good idea."
"I'm not really sure what more I can tell you; most things are really logical.", Shebi Ajava finished, though she sounded a little unsure.
"First off. Family is the most important thing in veolian culture. It has, to some extent, been accepted that not all cultures do this, but it will greatly help you if your family has a history of scientific breakthroughs, or more generally if your family is notable for some great achievement. If they do, you shouldn't hesitate to bring evidence of this to back up your claim.
Secondly, the veolian culture is feudal. This means that everything of importance, such as cities, research institutes, corporations, or just territory, is owned by a noble family. And that those that work or reside there are under the protection of this family. In this case, you would visit the institute of my grandfather, which is under his personal protection, as well as under the protection of House Shebi.
Related, but not exactly the same, is the fact that veolian culture is patriarchal. Men are the ultimate authority in their homes and territories, and challenging them in this is nearly the same as declaring war. So, my grandfather is the final authority on things related to the institute. Not on the research results themselves, but he has the last word on whether an experiment will be done, or if something is allowed or not. If you disagree with him, then tell him; but do it discretely, and don't just blurt out you don't agree."
Shebi Ajava seemed to think of something more: "He is a very rational man, and you can easily convince him of your point if you can explain why you are correct. But to tell him this if others are around that might challenge his position, would not be a good idea."
"I'm not really sure what more I can tell you; most things are really logical.", Shebi Ajava finished, though she sounded a little unsure.
T'Sal » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:22 am
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T'Sal - PC
“Maybe you can give some everyday examples.
When and what do you eat? What leisure time activities are done? And that sort of things.
The simple things may look unimportant but can make quite a difference.
Hio is very hot so during the day it is quiet and during the night it is busy. So how is Mirda?”
When and what do you eat? What leisure time activities are done? And that sort of things.
The simple things may look unimportant but can make quite a difference.
Hio is very hot so during the day it is quiet and during the night it is busy. So how is Mirda?”
Shebi Ajava » Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:39 pm
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Shebi Ajava - PC
"Oh yes, you might not know those things.", Shebi Ajava said a little surprised.
"On Mirda it is always nice weather. It is very humid, and during the day it is roughly 30 to 40 degrees. At night it cools a bit, but usually not below 25. And during the monsoon it rains. On the poles it is very cold, as low as 10 degrees, and on the equator it is a bit warmer, even to 60 degrees."
"Most large cities never sleep. Hemets don't need sleep, so there is no reason for shops to close, or for companies to stop working. But most non-hemets do sleep, so at night it will be a bit quieter but not very much."
"People eat at different times, and there are a lot of cultures on Mirda. Depending on whether you are hemet or not, you would probably eat three or five times a day. Non-hemets usually eat in the morning, in the afternoon, and late in the evening. Hemet's do this, but eat early night, and late night as well. Of course, hemets drink a lot more than peasants, and there is a large assortment of fluids of different consistency and taste available in most food courts."
"We have many leisure time activities, to much to name them all. And hemets have even more time, so they have more activities to do. Before I forget, you should watch out for younger boys that just become hemet. They are always duelling each other for the favour of some girl they want to impress, and you are very exotic. If you don't want to be disturbed you should not go out alone, but make sure you have a chaperone. Or you scare them away, no-body wants to be on the bad side of a Jedi."
Shebi Ajava seemed to think a bit.
"If you want anything, or want someone do to something for you, you can just ask any peasant. Just make sure they know you are a Jedi and they will be happy to do anything you ask. Just make sure you don't order around someone's slave, that will only get you into more trouble."
Shebi Ajava thought some more.
"Ok. I think you should also visit a clothing shop when you arrive. If you wear this much clothes under your clothes people might think you are...", Shebi Ajava started blushing, "uh... for hire? I don't think that you want that. You really want different clothes with less layers."
"On Mirda it is always nice weather. It is very humid, and during the day it is roughly 30 to 40 degrees. At night it cools a bit, but usually not below 25. And during the monsoon it rains. On the poles it is very cold, as low as 10 degrees, and on the equator it is a bit warmer, even to 60 degrees."
"Most large cities never sleep. Hemets don't need sleep, so there is no reason for shops to close, or for companies to stop working. But most non-hemets do sleep, so at night it will be a bit quieter but not very much."
"People eat at different times, and there are a lot of cultures on Mirda. Depending on whether you are hemet or not, you would probably eat three or five times a day. Non-hemets usually eat in the morning, in the afternoon, and late in the evening. Hemet's do this, but eat early night, and late night as well. Of course, hemets drink a lot more than peasants, and there is a large assortment of fluids of different consistency and taste available in most food courts."
"We have many leisure time activities, to much to name them all. And hemets have even more time, so they have more activities to do. Before I forget, you should watch out for younger boys that just become hemet. They are always duelling each other for the favour of some girl they want to impress, and you are very exotic. If you don't want to be disturbed you should not go out alone, but make sure you have a chaperone. Or you scare them away, no-body wants to be on the bad side of a Jedi."
Shebi Ajava seemed to think a bit.
"If you want anything, or want someone do to something for you, you can just ask any peasant. Just make sure they know you are a Jedi and they will be happy to do anything you ask. Just make sure you don't order around someone's slave, that will only get you into more trouble."
Shebi Ajava thought some more.
"Ok. I think you should also visit a clothing shop when you arrive. If you wear this much clothes under your clothes people might think you are...", Shebi Ajava started blushing, "uh... for hire? I don't think that you want that. You really want different clothes with less layers."
T'Sal » Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:48 pm
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T'Sal - PC
“Then I will take my Jedi cloths with me and buy some local clothes on Mirda.
Thank you for your guidance, miss Shebi.
Now we have to only make some final arrangement with the Jedi council and your grandfather.”
((OOC: Aka permission from the council and arranging flight etc.))
Thank you for your guidance, miss Shebi.
Now we have to only make some final arrangement with the Jedi council and your grandfather.”
((OOC: Aka permission from the council and arranging flight etc.))
Shebi Ajava » Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:30 pm
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Shebi Ajava - PC
"I'm afraid you're on your own with that. All I know is that my grandfather told me to convey your arrival time, so he could arrange for transportation while you are on Mirda."
"Here, I'll give you the contact information for his secretary.", Shebi Ajava said, while handing T'Sal a pad with some information on things like the Mirda space port, arrival and departure times for major public transportation venues, and some information on hotels and such near the space port. Also on the pad are contact information for the research institute, contact information for the secretary of Ajava's grandfather, and finally some contact information on an entry called 'stewards'.
"I've added contact information for the stewards, that way, if something goes wrong, you can always get in touch with them."
"Here, I'll give you the contact information for his secretary.", Shebi Ajava said, while handing T'Sal a pad with some information on things like the Mirda space port, arrival and departure times for major public transportation venues, and some information on hotels and such near the space port. Also on the pad are contact information for the research institute, contact information for the secretary of Ajava's grandfather, and finally some contact information on an entry called 'stewards'.
"I've added contact information for the stewards, that way, if something goes wrong, you can always get in touch with them."
T'Sal » Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:05 pm
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T'Sal - PC
"Okay, thank you miss Shebi.
I will then myself make the necessary preparations. I will let you know when I am ready."
With this T'sal left and went to master Screetor to ask permission.
When he says it is okay, T’sal starts to finish all her current business and starts to pack her stuff.
((OOC: Waiting for approval from mercury before making final prep.))
I will then myself make the necessary preparations. I will let you know when I am ready."
With this T'sal left and went to master Screetor to ask permission.
When he says it is okay, T’sal starts to finish all her current business and starts to pack her stuff.
((OOC: Waiting for approval from mercury before making final prep.))
Jedi Master Screetor » Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:21 pm
"Of course you may go. I think this will be valuable experience for you, dealing with new cultures." the Jedi Master nodded his approval.
Just as she was about to leave, the Jedi Master added "Oh and T'sal...?"
He paused a moment.
"Have fun. That's an order."
Just as she was about to leave, the Jedi Master added "Oh and T'sal...?"
He paused a moment.
"Have fun. That's an order."
Veolian Commonwealth » Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:57 pm
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Veolian Commonwealth - Faction
Attached are the necessary forms that have to be filled out for imported droids. It seems the Veolians place great value on knowing what the droid can do, and the level of autonomy it has. Furthermore, a second document clearly explains that the owner of a droid will personally be held accountable for the actions of the droid, up to and including serving jailtime if the droid commits crimes and such.
T'Sal » Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:27 pm
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T'Sal - PC
See S4's page for specifications, If needed we do check up at the embassy
Veolian Commonwealth » Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:54 pm
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Veolian Commonwealth - Faction
After her last message, T'sal quickly received a reply:
When T'sal visits the Veolian embassy and gives her name to get a queueing number she is informed that she was expected, and is helped immediately.
An older veolian woman informs her about Veolian droid autonomy levels, and the restrictions placed on the different types of droids. She then checks the forms filled out by T'sal, and helps her correct some of the forms. As S4N8 is actually a very autonomous droid, with advanced reasoning and cognition programs, the droid would normally fall under the prohibited goods import law. However, as T'sal is a jedi this law does not apply to her and her property, and no further action needs to be taken.
((OOC: I will make a thread for the visit (and the arrival) around the 16th))
When T'sal visits the Veolian embassy and gives her name to get a queueing number she is informed that she was expected, and is helped immediately.
An older veolian woman informs her about Veolian droid autonomy levels, and the restrictions placed on the different types of droids. She then checks the forms filled out by T'sal, and helps her correct some of the forms. As S4N8 is actually a very autonomous droid, with advanced reasoning and cognition programs, the droid would normally fall under the prohibited goods import law. However, as T'sal is a jedi this law does not apply to her and her property, and no further action needs to be taken.
((OOC: I will make a thread for the visit (and the arrival) around the 16th))
T'Sal » Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:41 pm
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T'Sal - PC
At the embassy T'sal uses the time to also learn some more about the Veolian Commonwealth.
She asks "I want to learn the Veolian language but there seem to be a lot of different dialects. Which one should I learn?"
She asks "I want to learn the Veolian language but there seem to be a lot of different dialects. Which one should I learn?"
Veolian Commonwealth » Sat Sep 15, 2012 6:49 pm
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Veolian Commonwealth - Faction
After the forms have been filed, the woman sits down again to answer any questions T'Sal might have.
"Learning Veolian is not really necessary, everyone of importance speaks Galactic Basic. However, if you wish to learn the Veolian language, you are correct that there are a lot of different dialects, I think that there are about fifty of them. But unless you plan on a very long stay, the two you'll encounter most are Bolī and Láadan."
The woman pronounced 'Bolī' as if the first part came from 'bowl', and the ī from fish; the second name as pronounced almost in two parts as 'Lahaadan' with an almost silent 'h'.
"Both dialects are very common as they are the 'shahi basha' or imperial dialects, and nearly everyone is fluent in the masculine dialect: Bolī. Of course, just like men are wont to, the dialect is a bit rough and rather direct and it does not lend itself well to communicate nuances and opinions very well -- that's why most women speak Láadan to each other. You can expect any woman you address to speak Láadan, as the language is taught at every level of the educational system."
"Learning Veolian is not really necessary, everyone of importance speaks Galactic Basic. However, if you wish to learn the Veolian language, you are correct that there are a lot of different dialects, I think that there are about fifty of them. But unless you plan on a very long stay, the two you'll encounter most are Bolī and Láadan."
The woman pronounced 'Bolī' as if the first part came from 'bowl', and the ī from fish; the second name as pronounced almost in two parts as 'Lahaadan' with an almost silent 'h'.
"Both dialects are very common as they are the 'shahi basha' or imperial dialects, and nearly everyone is fluent in the masculine dialect: Bolī. Of course, just like men are wont to, the dialect is a bit rough and rather direct and it does not lend itself well to communicate nuances and opinions very well -- that's why most women speak Láadan to each other. You can expect any woman you address to speak Láadan, as the language is taught at every level of the educational system."
T'Sal » Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:59 pm
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T'Sal - PC
"I will be staying there for some time,so learning the language is useful.
Thank you for your help."
T'sal bowed and left.
((OOC: Just spend an skill point on linguistics as to learn Veolian with these two dialects.))
Thank you for your help."
T'sal bowed and left.
((OOC: Just spend an skill point on linguistics as to learn Veolian with these two dialects.))
Brend » Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:17 pm
((OOC: The visit to Mirda itself is played out in the [ Mirda ] T'Sal visits Mirda for research collaboration <private> thread.))
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